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Persia Tah'Muro
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Posted - 2009.10.09 18:56:00 -
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Just an oposing opinion: I for one am not against ninja Salvaging/looting per se but I am opposed to the protection that is granted ninjas in high sec. It's a programmed cheat if ever there was one and what ****es me off most is CCP (whom I generally feel is very balanced in their game play methodology) allowed it.
Nearly everythng else you can do in this game calls for some sort of risk. With risk come rewards. Ninja looting involves zero risk becasue of the CONCORDE protection.
I just think there should be a real risk if someone comes into my mission to take loot and salvage I worked for.
I should be able to fight ninjas and defend what I consider to be my earnings, but so far I can't. That's the issue.
As a role-playing option ninja looting can be a cool option and career choice. But as a game mechanic, CCP screwed it up.
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Persia Tah'Muro
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Posted - 2009.10.09 22:20:00 -
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You are right if you choose to loot so no argument there.
I should clarify....there is no risk if a ninja chooses to salvage only.
So if CCP allowed agro for salvaging the way it is for looting cans then everyone would be happy.
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Persia Tah'Muro
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Posted - 2009.10.09 23:55:00 -
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@ Solomar
I'm a bit confused now. I don't ninja anything right now and I don't do scanning or exploration so it sounds like you have additional risks that I am not aware of?
So here is my admittingly limited understanding of scanning and ninja activities:
1. You do your scanning magic and have a choice of what sights you want to travel.
2. Somehow you are able to indentify a mission with active participants.
3. You warp to said mission, salvage without risk and loot if you want to risk it.
So the NPC agro you mentioned....is that the same as the mission NPCs? In other words, if I'm running a mission, you might warp in too early and pull some aggro from those NPCs? Or are you talking about something else?
Explain if you would the risk you face if you scan down my mission site and warp in to salvage.
Maybe its harder to ninja salvage then I thought.....maybe not. But I always assumed you scan/warp/salvage...no risk. Is it NOT that simple then?
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Persia Tah'Muro
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Posted - 2009.10.14 01:20:00 -
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Well I am glad to hear there is risk involved, so happy losses to all ninjalooters..lol.
I'll never agree that it's ok, or right, no matter what CCP wants. I still think it's pretty lame for a ninja to have unlimited protection from reprisal through the game mechanic.
I would personally like to see a ninja aggress when they take salvage and at least leave me a choice to fight or not. It's the lack of choice that drives me crazy more then anything else.
I've popped a looter, fired on a couple others, and lost a BS to another who flew a Command Ship. I lost that fight due mostly to my own noobness and lack of PvP experiance, but it was far more stisfying to fight and lose then to stand by helpless.
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Persia Tah'Muro
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Posted - 2009.10.15 01:00:00 -
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Well, as soon as CCP decides that you get to aggro me as soon as I salvage a couple bits of Scorched Telemetry, they will have officially put an end to the Salvaging Mini Profession. I still do not understand why so many MRs gets their britches in such a wad over the fact that a few of us choose to spend a lot of our SPs on the skills needed to do this gig properly while at the same time we run considerably more risk than the MR themselves. It's as if we're having the wrong kind of fun. Ay Caramba.
@ Solomar
I can use the same argument. I spent all my time skilling up my combat skills only to have a ninja come in a grab the loot I worked for. Ninjas are takiing money out of the pocket of MRs and are protected by the game mechanic.
Now maybe if a ninja came in and fought a ship to claim it's own salvage and loot then it would feel more fair....they will earn the loot. But wait...thats the same as running a mission in the first place. Heaven forbid ninja would run a mission.
It is what it is, and CCP likes it this way. So in the end, we'll agree to disagree, and manage our game time accordingly. As it is now I salvage while I fight to minimize a ninjas salvage target.
For what it's worth, I plan to train an alt for exploration and I know I'll toy with MRs but I won't take their ISK. The ends do not justify the means for some, even in a game.
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